Adam could not have been the only man!

Thanks for writing me. I will answer your questions and comments but I want to separate them and answer them individually, because they hit several important issues. So my comments will be in the body of your comments:

I am black and African so nobody will call me racist. I want you to be more realistic on this issue. Your argument is far less supported by fact available in the Bible, it is also not of sound presented when reasoned critically along the what is written in the Bible. There is no doubt that there were other human beings in existence either before or at the same time as Adam and his family. This simple conclusion in supported by Cain's fear of being killed by hunters. If there was only Adam, Eve and Cain (since Abel was dead) why would Cain be talking about hunters. There were no other brothers at this time (Seth came after this event). Cain was barnished from the family and environment he was born in but he well knew there were other people out there, and was afraid to venture out all by himself. He was not even married at the time. He had to go out there to live in their community and mingle with them. If God barnished him from the Adam family, why would God allow him to marry from the Adam family again much later!

My response is in Green:

What does being black and African have to do with not being racist? I just wanted to ask that, because I hear this type of thing all the time, that minorities can't be racist. Hello, of course anyone can be racist and many of every race are racist. But that is a sideline, so let me get to your biblical statements.

You didn't tell me which page you came from, so I have to guess. My guess is that it is one on which I explained that Cain married either his sister, or niece. Sorry but you don't really explain why this isn't true. But I will address it anyway.

You claim that there had to be other people because Cain was afraid of them. I don't deny there were other people, but you make no attempted to explain these other people, other than to claim they were other people. You asked if there weren't other people then why did Cain talk about hunters.

Well let's see exactly what Cain did say:

Genesis 4:14 "Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."

First he says nothing about hunters, he just says that anyone who finds him will kill him. Now this begs the question, why would they kill him? Could it be because he killed one of their relatives; father, brother, grand-father, etc...? If Adam was the only Father of all mankind, then that is exactly what Abel would have been to anyone living on the earth!

Now you make the assumption that there was no one else born to Adam and Eve before Seth, other than Abel and Cain. But is that what the Bible says? Only in silence. What I mean by that is that the Bible doesn't tell us. People take this statement:

Genesis 5:4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.

To mean that until Seth was born Adam and Eve did not have other children, but that is not what it says. We know that Cain was the first born. But we don't know who the second born was. People think they know because of this passage:

Genesis 4:1-2 Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man." [2] Later she gave birth to his brother Abel.
    Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil.

But think about it, does that mean Abel was the second born of Adam and Eve? No it just means he was born after Cain. So why would the Bible tell us about Abel but not about Larry, Moe and Curly? Well could it be because Abel was important to the story because Cain killed him? If Cain had killed Moe then we would have known Moe and not Abel.

My point is simple, we have no idea how many other children were born of Adam and Eve after Cain and before he killed Abel. We do know that Adam was 130 years old when Eve had Seth. We also know that Adam and Eve were created sexually mature, so that is 130 years in which they were capable of having children. We are not told how old Adam was when Cain was born, nor how old he was when Abel was born.

We know that God told Adam and Eve to populate the earth.

Genesis 1:27-28
    So God created man in his own image,
        in the image of God he created him;
        male and female he created them.
 
[28]   God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

Fill the earth! Now having two boys in the period of 130 years hardly constitutes doing what God commanded them to do. So even if you are very conservative and say that Adam and Eve only had one child every 3 years, that would still be a total of 43 children in that 130 years. Now if those children had children when they were 30 years old... Well the point is that the population would have grown very fast. Of course some of these children would have traveled and setup their own places to live, yet they would have all known each other. So when Cain became the first murderer and killed Abel, the whole family (the whole population of the world) would have known he did it and been upset with him. Of course he was afraid for his life.

Your last statement that God banished him from the family is wrong also. What God did was make him a wanderer and banish him from the land.

Genesis 4:10-12
    The Lord said, "What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground. [11] Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand. [12] When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth."

This had nothing to do with the family. Remember Cain was a farmer, he worked the ground, but God is telling him that will no longer be possible, he will have to wander to get food and live.

In as much as one can say that white people represent the only line of descent for Adam, it is equally possible all other things considered. I am not trying to justify slavery or the evil nature of white people (I will make exception for the millions of good white people out there!)

I am not sure what you are trying to say here. No one that I know of claims that white people are the only descendants of Adam. Anyone who does say that is an idiot. First because we all came from Adam and secondly because Adam wasn't a white man. We can't know exactly what color Adam was but it wasn't white. How did God create Adam? He formed him from the dirt! So wouldn't he have been the color of the dirt that God used? How often have you seen white dirt? My best guess would be that Adam was some shade of brown! But just for laughs, let's say he was white. So what? Does that mean that all the other colors of human beings didn't come from him?

If that is what you are trying to say, then you still have a problem. Let me show you:

1 Peter 3:20 who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,

Only eight people were saved from the whole earth and they were all Noah's family. So all the colors of the earth came from this one family, even if you are right about there being other humans besides Adam and Eve, and believe me you aren't right about that, but I will address that later.

We call the different colors of people races, but truly that is wrong, there is but one race, the human race. Before the flood all people spoke the same language. It wasn't until the Tower of Babel that God separated people and caused them to have different languages. The so called races also came then, as people separated they characteristics of those people would have been separated from the characteristics of the other people, so that the dominate genes would have become even more dominant. One group of people who were somewhat darker than others would have children who were darker, and as the generations went on that would have been even more pronounced. The same is true of those with lighter skin, etc...

I want to address one last thing in this statement section. You sound like you think that white people invented slavery, or where the only ones who had slaves. I hate to tell you this but slavery has been around a long time and practiced by almost all so called races.

Read your Bible. Where the Egyptians white? Of course not, yet they held the Israelites as slaves for over 400 years! Not only that, but slavery is still practiced in many parts of the world, but not by white men. Here is one interesting article you should read:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2001/01/03/black_slavery_is_alive

This article is written by a black man, if that makes a difference to you.

One other very important thing to consider critically is the Biblican statement "let us make man in our own image." This could well be that there were various forms of "man" in existense but none of those forms was pleasing enough to God, so he decided to make a better man in the form more pleasing to him-hence Adam. God wanted Adam to be different, so he secluded him in the Garden of Eden. However, sin found him through Eve and God had no option than to expel him from the Garden. If he had to live outside the garden and in the wilderness, he must then be subject the conditions the prior human beings were going through, one of which was death! Adam was therefore transformed from immoratlity to mortality.

This last statement of yours bothers me more than all the others. It bothers me because it is so dead wrong. I have to wonder if you have read your Bible yourself, or if you are getting this junk from someone else. I am not trying to attack you, but this is way out in left field and easily debunked using God's word.

First let me restate what you are trying to say. You are saying that God made 'man' several times but didn't get it right, so He kept trying and when He finally came up with Adam, He was pleased with His work and separated him from the rest of His created men.

Genesis 1:31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning--the sixth day.

I guess you would want God to add to that statement this; except for the first 5 or 6 attempts at making man. Then there is this statement:

Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned--

We are all tainted by Adam's sin because he is the father of us all. Have you ever wondered why Jesus didn't have a sin nature? Think about it, who was His Father? It wasn't Adam like the rest of us, it was God. The sin nature is handed down to us through our fathers and our first father was Adam.

Your last statement that- if Adam had to live outside the garden then he had to be subject to the same things as the other men living outside and that included death- is also easily debunked by the same passage. Notice that it says that death came through sin and sin through one man; Adam. There was no death in all of creation until Adam sinned. And again, go back to the passage where God looks at ALL creation on the sixth day and says it was very good. Would it have been very good if there were death occurring?

So I stand by my statements that Cain was worried about his relatives killing him.

Ralph

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