You are changing scripture for your own purposes!


I read your suicide blog and your verses do not address suicide

(1 Corinthians 6:19-20 NIV) [19] Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; [20] you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body. -this is about sexual immorality

(1 Corinthians 3:16-17 NIV) [16] Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you? [17] If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God's temple is sacred, and you are that temple.-this is about the church

You may personally not agree with suicide but do not change the world of God with your own interpretation of his word. The only unforgivable sins are rejecting Christ (Mark 16:16) and blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

I do not believe that a Christian who commits suicide will lose salvation and go to hell. The Bible teaches that from the moment a person truly believes in Christ, he or she is eternally secure (John 3:16). According to the Bible, Christians can know beyond any doubt that they possess eternal life no matter what happens. "These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God" (1 John 5:13). Nothing can separate a Christian from God's love! "For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 8:38-39). If no "created thing" can separate a Christian from God's love, and even a Christian who commits suicide is a "created thing," then not even suicide can separate him from God's love. Jesus died for all of our sins...and if a true Christian were to, in a time of spiritual attack and weakness, commit suicide - that would be a sin that Jesus died for.

My response is in Green:

It amazes me what people will do to justify a sin. You are right the first passage was speaking of sexual immorality, but am I changing God's word? Does it or does it not say that your body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit? So if I decide to chop my leg off that isn't God's business, because at least I didn't use His temple for sexual immorality? Give me a break, no matter which physical sin it was speaking about it makes the point that our bodies are the Temple of the Holy Spirit and that we must honor God with them. So that point of yours isn't valid.

The second passage is speaking of the church, but what is the church? It is us, the people, not a building and again it says that we are the Temple of the Holy Spirit and anyone who destroys that Temple God will destroy. So show me where I am changing God's word? I am not.

Your bottom line is that you believe that no matter whether it is a sin or not, God will just wink at it if it is committed by a believer. Sad very sad. You should read the rest of your Bible like these passages:

Romans 2:1-3  Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. [2] And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things. [3] But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God?  [NASB-U]

Now if Paul meant that sin couldn't separate us from our salvation, then what was he talking about here? Surely we aren't going to face judgment for something that has already been paid for and forgiven by God? As Paul would say, may it never be. Nothing can separate us from the love of Christ, but that DOES NOT mean we can't again fall under condemnation and face punishment. To read that otherwise is to make a mockery of God's word.

Hebrews 3:14 We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first. [NIV]

What if we don't hold firmly? If there is nothing that happens if we don't hold on, then why even put that verse in the Bible?

James 4:4 You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God. [NIV]

So are you telling me that God is going to allow His enemies into heaven? Go ahead and tell me that this is speaking of non-believers, because that is easily proven wrong. We were all enemies of God while we were sinners, we only became reconciled to Him through Jesus Christ, so the only person who can become an enemy of God is one who wasn't one at one time, a believer! You become and enemy of God when you walk away from your faith and salvation!

2 Peter 1:10-11 [10] Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, [11] and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. [NIV]

What if you don't do these things might you fall? Of course otherwise again this passage is meaningless!

Romans 11:17-24 [17] If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, [18] do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. [19] You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." [20] Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. [21] For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
[22] Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. [23] And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. [24] After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree! [NIV]

Be afraid! Doesn't sound like there is nothing to worry about does it?

James 5:19-20 My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, [20] remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins. [NIV]

You can't wander from somewhere you were never at, yet this person when brought back is saved!!

John 15:6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. [NIV]

Wow, thrown in the fire, I wonder what that refers to?

1 Corinthians 15:2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. [NIV]

Well that is enough, I doubt that a hundred more would convince you anyway. You can claim I am twisting God's word, but you better be very sure,  because it has eternal consequences of you are wrong.



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