You are using the Apostates Bible!

I read the first two messages from your response pages but had to stop immediately after the second one. How well do you take advice from a Christian?

While you answered some tough questions well, the problem is your bible. You should be ashamed giving advice then using the bible of apostates to back it up. The King James Version is the only version I know to be the Word of God. (let me know if you think there is another) You seem well read which tells me you have heard the problems with the other (per)versions and have chosen to compromise. I hope I'm wrong and your just ignorant.

My response is in Green:

Thanks for writing me. I am glad that you hope I am just ignorant. Maybe I am but then again maybe I am just what I claim to be and that is a dedicated Christian who believes Christ was God incarnate. Totally God, totally human, sinless when born and sinless when He died for all mankind's sins. That He arose on the third day, defeating Satan and even death. That He now sits at the right hand of God the Father. That any person who believes in Him and asks for forgiveness is saved by grace through faith. I don't care which version of the Bible you get it from if you believe that you will go to heaven.

You say I surely must have heard of the problems with the NIV and other modern translations, yes I have. I have also heard of so called problems with the KJV. Have you? Not to mention all the problems I have heard about the Bible from people who do not even believe in God. I believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God. It was not given to man in the King James Version, nor was it given in the NIV or NASB. It was given to us in Greek and the other languages of the day. However, I do believe that the God that inspired the original text was able to also inspire the newer English translations. I am sure there are places where different people translate certain words differently, however I trust God to make sure that His Word does not come back void. Below are two versions of one verse, one in the NIV and the other in the KJV. Do you disagree with either?

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6 (NIV)

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6 (KJV)

I am not trying to change your mind about only believing the KJV, but it does upset me that you would go out of your way to attack me when I am trying to give the message of Jesus Christ to the lost. Don't ever lose sight of the great commission to preach the gospel to all nations. If you have honestly read the NIV and found that it does not provide a clear unadulterated version of the gospel of Jesus Christ then you are right, and I am indeed ignorant. If on the other hand, the NIV does clearly give the message of salvation then it is the Word of God, because only the Word of God will proclaim Jesus as the Christ. You called the other versions of the Bible to be the Bible of the apostates. Now if I understand what you are trying to say, it is that these versions of the Bible will lead people astray. Well, like I said, if they teach the true gospel of Jesus Christ how is that possible? I agree with you that there is rapidly coming a time of great falling away, but I think it is a stretch to believe that falling away will occur due to the new translations of the Bible.

I will continue to follow Christ and preach the gospel to the lost the best way I can. I ask God to help me everyday and I know that He has helped me answer many of the questions I get asked because of my site. I know that the Holy Spirit lives in my heart and I know if He did not want me to use any translation other than the KJV He would show me that, but He has not. Again I thank you for writing, but I ask you to pray and ask God to show you whether other translations can be trusted or not. I think you will find the answer in the KJV itself. If you read the KJV it will show you that anyone (or even any Bible) that preaches the true message of Jesus Christ is from God and anyone or anything which does not preach the true gospel is not from God. Then, like I said, all you have to do is look in the new translations and see if the gospel is there and if it is the same gospel as is in the KJV.

If you like we can have this discussion when we both are in heaven (assuming that we have both accepted Christ as our savior). I am not sure either of us will care at that point, but who knows. I am always bothered when Christians write me and don't seem to care about salvation but instead care so deeply about other non-eternal life subjects. Unless of course you believe that because I read and quote from the NIV, I don't really have salvation. I have accepted Christ as my savior and He has forgiven me my sins. If you still think I am not going to heaven because of the translation I read than you are putting human works above the finished work of Jesus Christ.

I wish you were half as concerned about the lost souls out there as you are about which Bible I read, but that is between you and God. I will continue to use God's Word and witness to the lost about how they too can obtain forgiveness through Jesus Christ.

Additional Information:

I don't want to go over information that others have brought to light and much better I ever could, however, I do want to give a little background information. I want to do this for those of you who have heard this debate but have not figured out what side of it you should be on.

First let me recommend a great book on the subject. It is by James R. White The King James Only Controversy; can you trust the modern translations? It is a well thought out book, which I believes sheds a lot of light on the subject.

There are just a couple of things I would like to bring out in this article. I would like to state my point first. I believe that the King James version of the Bible is a good translation, however, I find it hard to read and understand due to the changes in the English language in the past several hundred years. I don't lean totally on any one translation, I like to compare passages in several translations. And most importantly I try to ask and be open to the leading of the Holy Spirit in any passages that I read.

Here are a few facts which I think are important to remember:

Many times people who are strongly KJV only advocates will tell you that the only true word of God is the 1611 authorized version of the Bible. What they seem not to understand is that almost no one today has a 1611 authorized version of the Bible. That is because almost as soon as it was finished it was revised. The first revision occurred in 1612 then again in 1613, 1616, 1629, and 1638. By 1659 William Kilburne was claiming that 20,000 errors had crept into six different editions printed in the 1650's.

The New Testament of the King James Version of the Bible is based upon a printed edition of the Greek New Testament that finds its origins in the work of Desiderius Erasmus. His work later became known as the Textus Receptus. It is very interesting to look back at his work and what people were saying about it. He got the same kind of criticism about his work as the translators of the new versions of the Bible are today. One of the sources that Erasmus used was the Latin Vulgate, but when comparing it to other Greek and Hebrew manuscripts Erasmus found that it had been corrupted and he made corrections. Even before Erasmus' work was published a man named Dorp wrote him and explained that no one would ever believe there could be errors in the Vulgate. Sounds surprisingly like the arguments about the KJV.

The people who are radical defenders of the KJV only will tell you that they believe that the KJV is the inerrant, inspired word of God. I believe that the Bible in its original form when written by the authors under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit is inerrant, however, I don't think the same thing can be said about any one translation. I do think that God has preserved His word so that we can understand what He is telling us.

I went through that to explain that I feel there are probably minor errors in all the translations. That is one more reason why I cross reference while I study and read the Bible. However, the KJV Only crowd will not concede that there is even the possibility that there could be translation errors in the KJV. Because of that and the way they try to show the 'perversion' of the new translations I have decided to quote one verse out of the KJV, the NIV and the NRSV and let you see for your self how things can be mistranslated.

(Acts 5:30 NIV) The God of our fathers raised Jesus from the dead--whom you had killed by hanging him on a tree. I think most people would agree with this, Christ died on the cross.

(Acts 5:30 NRSV) The God of our ancestors raised up Jesus, whom you had killed by hanging him on a tree. Again it says that Christ died on the cross (tree).

(Acts 5:30 KJV) The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. Here you see my point. The KJV says that Jesus was killed and then hanged on a tree. By the KJV Only crowd's own yardstick this should disqualify the KJV from being used.

As I stated in my reply to the gentleman who wrote me, if you can find the unadulterated gospel of Jesus Christ in the new translations then you can be sure that they are from God. Changes in wording here and there because of differences in manuscripts used should not keep us from reading and using the easier to read translations. Believe me Satan does not need to come out with new translations in order to pervert the message of Jesus Christ. He has been at that since before the eye witnesses of the gospel died.


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