You hypocrite, first deny and judge yourself and then judge the other.

My response is in Green:

Well thanks for writing me. I have tried to address your points where you make them so we both know what I am trying to address.

Hi There,

Well, I just read your commentary on how you hate the sin of homosexuality and compare it to the sin of being an alcoholic or being an adulterer or being xxx, etc...

You must realize something about homosexuality. Homosexuality is tied in with the need to have sex. Homosexuals are not physically attracted to members of the opposite sex.

You are making assumptions which you cannot back up with fact. I would agree that most homosexuals are not attracted to the opposite sex, but I still say that is a choice. Just like many other sins which people have tried to claim they have no responsibility for, like alcoholism, being a drug addict. Love is a choice, whether it is love between a parent and a child or between two people of opposite sex or between two people of the same sex. You choose who you will love. Now there is an emotional response to another person that you have no control over and many people call that love but it is not. Love means that you care for that person as much as you do yourself and that is a choice.

We are all tempted in different ways. I will not say that homosexuals are not tempted and that the temptation is difficult to deal with, but you know what, we are all tempted in ways which are hard to deal with. Do you think that pornography is a choice? It ruins many families and it is very hard for a person to stop, but again it is a choice that people make.

You said that homosexuality is tied to the 'need' to have sex. Sex is something that God gave us for enjoyment and for procreation, but it is not a need. It is a strong desire, yes, but not a need. I believe it is wrong for a person to have sex outside of marriage, period.

Neither would it be fair for a homosexual man to engage in sexual relations with a woman seeing that there would be no true love in the act or very little pleasure.

Which is then the greater sin? For a gay man to have intercourse with a woman or to begin a relationship with a woman who would not be fulfilled sexually or emotionally? Then the gay man is not only lying to himself but also to the woman. The person who would be hurt the most would be the woman.

Okay using your own argument let me ask you a question: Do you think it is wrong for a pedophile to have sex with a child? I do, but by your argument it would not be wrong. See if the pedophile is not attracted to adults of either sex, but only children, then wouldn't it be wrong for them to have sex with adults, since the partner "would not be fulfilled sexually or emotionally"? I doubt you would agree with your own argument under those circumstances, but isn't it really the same argument?

Also, think of this. If homosexuality is choice then what man would go against his own carnal heterosexual instincts to have sex with a man and bear the social pressures of society by having sex with a man (ridicule, hate, legalities...)

Then answer me this: Why do homosexuals try to recruit teenagers. You can deny that it happens but we both know it does. It is not a secret that it happens. It might help you to read the stories of some people who came out of homosexuality: http://www.stonewallrevisited.com They can say it much better then I can.

I like the taste of steak but I hate the taste of liver. Can one's taste change?

Yes a persons taste can change, and the person can make it change. You say you love steak, okay, let's say that you go to the doctor and he tells you that if you have one more steak you will die. He tells you that the only meat you should eat if you want to live is liver. Tell me your taste for steak and liver would not change. Maybe not over night but I guarantee it would change. There are many people alive who changed their lifestyles and their tastes because they found out something was not good for them.

The same is true in sex.

You are right, the same is true for sex. A person can change how they think about it, and what their taste is too. I am not trying to say it is easy as you will see if you read http://www.stonewallrevisited.com but it is possible.

True that God cannot stand any sin seeing that it is against His nature but also Homosexuality is very much a lesser sin.

Sin is sin, and all sin deserves death in God's sight. God does not grade on a curve; sin is sin.

Any sexual encounters between man and woman without the intent to bear a child is considered a sin - in marriage or outside of marriage.

I take it from that statement that you are Catholic or were raised Catholic. I totally disagree with that statement. No where in the Bible will you find it said that having sex in a marriage is wrong unless you are trying to have a child. In fact look at what Paul had to say: (1 Corinthians 7:4-5 NIV) The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. {5} Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. Surly Paul wasn't telling married couples to continually have children.

The reason that Homosexuality is a sin is because a man cannot mate with a man and bear a child.

That is only partly true. God did make sex for procreation but He made it pleasurable and a way for a man and woman to become one. (Genesis 2:24 NIV) For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. This is a picture of marriage, two people becoming one. Homosexuality is a sin because it is not what God designed us for. Here is what God thinks of it: (Leviticus 18:22 NIV) "'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. (Romans 1:27 NIV) In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Therefore, sex for the sake of sex is a sin and all sins keep us from God.

I would agree with the exception of within a marriage between a man and a woman.

Also, the sin of Homosexuality can be reversed. Taking something bad and turning it into something good.

When two souls intertwine and show each other love, love conquers the sin of sex.

Sex is merely a medium to show affection towards your partner.

I refer back to the verses above which clearly show that God detests homosexuality. It is a sin, not because I say it is, but because God says it is.

Both man and woman have the embedded instinct to reproduce by having sex. If a heterosexual couple is not condemned to have sex why should the homosexual couple be condemned?

These are the same points over and over. Sex is only okay within a marriage between one man and one woman. You are right the heterosexual couple who is not married are sinning too and I condemn it also. I would disagree with your idea that there is an embedded instinct at work. That would make us no more than animals. We were created in God's own image not as mere animals. He gave us the ability to reason, animals don't have that ability. With that comes responsibility to act according to His law.

Is there a difference in the sexual drive of heterosexuals versus homosexuals?

Yes and no. Obviously there is a difference in the natural sense, but as I said before I will not deny that the desire is there, but that does not make it okay. It is a sin; period.

What kind of pressure are you exerting on the homosexual by denying him to have sex because it is a sin? Phenomenal pressure rest assured - they have no release.

When too much pressure builds up in a person whether they be heterosexual or homosexual, they might suffer from a psychological breakdown and then all hell may break loose.

I guess you really do think people are no more than mere animals. This whole argument is ridiculous. A person who is deprived of some thing they want won't go crazy. Again would you make the same argument in behalf of the pedophile? I certainly hope not. How about the rapist, who only truly gets pleasure when he forces himself on a woman? How can you ask these people to resist their desires? See what a slippery slope this is when you decide some sins are okay or when you grade on a sliding scale?

In my own humble opinion, no man or woman choses what they want to be - some are born black and wish to be white, some are born handicapped and wish to be whole.

We come back to the same point. I say it is a choice and you say it is not. You said earlier that homosexuality is a sin. How can something be a sin if you have no control over it. That is like saying that being white is a sin or being bald is a sin. God does not judge people on things they have no control over.

In the beginning of an individuals life, how many homosexuals cry and weep and wish that they were heterosexual?

I am sure many people wish with all their souls that they were not tempted in this area, but being tempted is not the same as having no choice. I wish I was not tempted into doing things which I did in the past too. No matter how hard it was for me to battle at the time, I know I made the choice. God is the answer, He knows we are tempted and He will help anyone who wants help. The first thing we have to admit is that we are all sinners. We may commit different sins, but in the end we have all sinned and we are all sentenced to death for it. The hope for the homosexual is the same as for the adulterer, or the pedophile, or the murderer; it is Jesus Christ. He died for our sins so that we won't have to, but if we deny that we sin, then His death is in vain as far as we are concerned. God will not forgive you for something you claim was not wrong to start with.

Neither should the heterosexual man say, "This man is a homosexual and I have pity on him..."

I have no more pity on a homosexual than I do on anyone else. I pity anyone who has not accepted Christ as their Savior.

You hypocrite, first deny and judge yourself and then judge the other.

Did you bother to read my page? You will never be more of a sinner than I was. I don't even judge you for what you do, all I am saying is that sin leads to death and the only way to be saved is through Jesus Christ. I don't judge you, but I also won't agree that something that God says is wrong is okay. I judged myself and I came up way short, that is why I accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior and Lord of my life. You know what I still come up short most of the time, but I try my best to live the kind of life God wants me to live.

Compare homosexuality to all the other sins - it falls short of every other for it is the only sin that produces love.

I disagree with you again. Sin is sin and all sin carries with it judgment and that judgment is death to the sinner. I also disagree that homosexuality produces love, it produces lust. Just like extramarital sex does.

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