Is the Holy Spirit just God's Power, or an individual?

No, I'm not one of Jehova's Witnesses... I was bought up on the Bible... I had to read it, go to sunday school and now I just research on my own. I've read some books on 1st century historians like Tacitus and josephus... I know, kind of big for someone my age. But I become intrigued by those accounts. However, after reading the Bible, I cannot believe the Trinity doctrine. Yes, there were 3 personages present at Christ's baptism... but that does not have to mean that they were all apart of ONE body. I believe that the holy spirit is God's power that he has and bestows upon whomever he chooses. Jesus is his son and He is himself. The king James version of the bible says in Psalms 83:18 that God's name is Jehovah. I believe it is Yahwaeh. It doesn't really matter I guess, however, I also do belive that Jesus (when ressurrected) became that powerful arch-angel, Michael... cleared heaven from Satan and those who chose to take his side. And I still believe that 144,000 are only suppose to go to heaven... that "great multitude" are to "reside forever upon the earth." (Ps.37:29) However, I have read in John 1:1 that the "word" who is clearly shown to be Christ "is God". But, I've also read in some book that the anicient hebrew manuscripts translated that particular verse to mean "the word was a God". I become confused on that point. But I cannot believe in the Trinity for the simple fact that it is a man-made doctrine (created during the Holy Roman Empire- 720-900 A.D.) Thus, being that I believe that the Bible is the ONLY inspired writtings from Yahwaeh himself, I cannot trust in the Trinity. So if you could reply, please do so. I would appreciate your thoughts on this subject. Thank you.

My response is in Green:

You say that you are not a Jehovah's Witness, but I must tell you that you seem to believe as they do. Maybe you have just read some of their material and started to believe it, but one way or another you do seem to lean that way. May problem with that is for one I hope you are being honest with me, second, I don't know how you can claim not to believe anything other than the Bible and yet believe some of this stuff.

Be that as it may, I will try to answer your message. Where in Scripture do you find that Jesus became Michael? As for Jesus being God, let me give you a few reasons why I know that He is and was always God:

Jesus was crucified, do you know why? Because the Pharisees demanded that Rome crucify Him, and the reason is because they claimed He was a blasphemer. They claimed this because they said He said He was God.(John 10:28-33 NIV) I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one." Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." There was no doubt in the Jews mind that Jesus was claiming to be God. (Matthew 26:63-66 NRSV) But Jesus was silent. Then the high priest said to him, "I put you under oath before the living God, tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God." {64} Jesus said to him, "You have said so. But I tell you, From now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven." {65} Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, "He has blasphemed! Why do we still need witnesses? You have now heard his blasphemy. {66} What is your verdict?" They answered, "He deserves death."

The Jews knew that only God can forgive sins, so they understood what Jesus was saying when He healed the lame man:(Mat 9:2 NIV) Some men brought to him a paralytic, lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "Take heart, son; your sins are forgiven." In effect He was claiming here to be God and to have the right to forgive sins, which belonged to God alone.

When Moses saw the burning bush, and God talked to him and told him to go to Egypt, Moses asked who should he say sent him. God answered:(Exo 3:14 NIV) God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'" Now look at what Jesus said (John 8:58 NIV) "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" A man could not claim that, Abraham was born thousands of years before Jesus. The wording itself tells us that Jesus was claiming that He was the great I AM, or in other words God.

(Mat 10:1 NIV) He called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out evil spirits and to heal every disease and sickness. No one but God could give this kind of authority. Not only did He claim to have the authority but He was able to give it to others, who were then able to use it. No prophet or good man could do this.

I gave you Scripture to back up my view of the 144,000 but you refuse to believe it and don't bother to give me any Scripture to back up your point. Why is that? You claim to believe only the Bible, but it seems that is only true when it says what you want it too. Just like John 1:1. You don't believe the Bible you believe another book you read which told you that the Bible does not really say what it says. The Trinity is the same why. No the Bible does not plainly say the word Trinity, but it does clearly say that God is One and it clearly shows the three individuals.

For instance you say (just as the JW believe) that the Holy Spirit is just God's power, not an individual. If you are right then why does the Bible address Him as an individual? Let's look at what I mean:

(Luke 12:11-12 NIV) "When you are brought before synagogues, rulers and authorities, do not worry about how you will defend yourselves or what you will say, {12} for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say." Teaching is an attribute of an individual not a power.

(John 14:26 NIV) But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. The Holy Spirit is given another name here; the Counselor, names are for individuals. Also again the Holy Spirit here is given an attribute usually given to an individual; reminding the people of what Jesus said.

(Acts 5:3 NIV) Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? This verse shows that a person can lie to the Holy Spirit, which again means that He is an individual. You can't lie to an impersonal source of power.

(Acts 5:32 NIV) We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him." A witness is an individual's attribute too.

(Acts 7:51 NIV) "You stiff-necked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You are just like your fathers: You always resist the Holy Spirit! Again the use of the name Holy Spirit refers to a being, not just a power source.

(Acts 9:31 NIV) Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace. It was strengthened; and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it grew in numbers, living in the fear of the Lord. The Holy Spirit encourages and strengthens.

(Acts 13:2 NIV) While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them." Notice the Holy Spirit speaks.

(Acts 15:28 NIV) It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: The Holy Spirit is shown to be a reasoning being.

(Ephesians 4:30 NIV) And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. The Holy Spirit can be grieved, again an attribute of a being not a power source.

One last passage: (John 15:26 NIV) "When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me. Notice that Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit as He and says that He will testify which once again is an attribute of an individual.

There are many more passages, but these are probably the most clear. Well I tried my best to answer your questions.

Take care,


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