I have just came across your site in my desperate time of need. I have read your response to the person who said "what if life sucks?" I feel you are not taking in to consideration some of the plights that do happen to people and your insight may be limited to your strength in god or nothing attitude. You say that people who do not allow god into their lives/hearts will go to hell. Well, I've been to hell, praying to god the whole time. Asking for forgiveness for all that I have done as well as for all of what others have done. You say it is the devil that is trying to make people kill themselves. The doctors tell me there is a imbalance in my brain. They can actually see differences from a "normal" brain and someone with obessive compulsive disorder, with a cat scan. The depression that I have carried around with me since approx. 3rd grade (I am 38) comes from something I can not control -physically. So, when you say that it is the devil that has made me try to kill myself, I will not believe that. When you say I will go to hell because I have killed myself, I will not believe it. God would never forsake someone who had been stricken with an illness that controlled the impulses in their brain. That would be like god sending all to hell the mentally retarded that did'nt know any better when they ate some non-edible (condition called pica) and died from it. Or how about one's that continually inflict injury upon themselves because their neuro system is seeking this stimuli? I will never stop praying and fighting this illness (not an act of the devil) and I will always believe that god will be there for me whether I am over taken by my suicidal actions or not. He would never send me or others to hell knowing what is in my heart, and knowing what I am fighting. Is it not god the final one to judge? Maybe you should think twice about telling someone they will be condemned to hell. It is not YOUR job.
My response is in Green:
You seem to be saying two different things. First you seem to be saying that I am wrong when I say anyone who does not accept Christ as their savior won't go to heaven. Well I was not the one who said that, I just repeated what the Bible says. Here are a couple places that it says just that: (John 3:16-18 NIV) 16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
(John 3:36 NIV) 36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
(John 5:22-23 NIV) 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
(John 14:6 NIV) 6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
So am I wrong to try to warn people that they need Jesus? I do understand that people face plights that I have not faced, but then again you don't know what I have faced either do you? My point is this, none of us can do it ourselves, we all need God. I won't quit telling people that they need God's help or that they need Jesus to save them from hell and reconcile them to God.
You also said that I was wrong because people have imbalances and medical problems which might overwhelm them and you did not think God would judge them for those actions. You misunderstand my stand on this. Instead of restating them again, let me quote from several of the pages on my suicide site and then see if you still think that is what I am saying:
This quote is from my main suicide page: "Are you contemplating suicide?" NOTE: I want to make one thing clear. I believe that suicide is a sin against God and I believe that if you have not accepted Christ as your savior before your death your fate is sealed unto judgment. However, I don't want anything I have said to be taken to the extreme. If a person has a chemical imbalance or other disease which limits their mental faculties then that is not the same thing as choosing to commit suicide with a clear mind. Let me be blunt, if you are reading this page and are looking for a loop hole so that your conscience will be clear to kill yourself, then by the fact that you are doing so shows you are in control of your mental faculties and I believe you will be held accountable to God against Whom suicide is a sin.
This one is from my page "Will God forgive Suicide?" As I have been careful to say in this article I believe if you choose to reject God then He will allow you to do so. I have stated more then once it is a choice, so now let me address another issue. If a person is not able to make a choice then I don't believe any of this applies to them. What I am saying is that if a person is chemically imbalanced or mentally impaired in some way so that they can't make a legitimate choice, then I don't believe God would hold any actions they commit including suicide against them. But if you are here reading this trying to find a loop hole so that you can kill yourself and still be sure you will go to heaven, then you are showing the ability to make that choice and I believe God will hold you accountable accordingly.
And one last quote from "It seems you are telling people to throw away their medication..." You asked me about God forgiving a Christian who commits suicide. I can't speak for God and I won't try, but I will tell you that people take salvation way too lightly. I can't say whether He will forgive a person who is in their right mind and makes the decision to kill themselves. I agree with you that if a person is not in control of their own mind, then God will not hold that against them. So you see one thing is that we can't know the person's mind when they committed suicide, so I can't judge them. All I am trying to say is that there are a lot of people who don't want to live anymore and feel that God has to let them into heaven. I would not presume on His mercy like that. There are too many verses in the Bible which show that we must attempt to live the lives that He wants us to live and that we must persevere in the faith.
There are more, but I think that should give you the picture. My page is written for those who are thinking of committing suicide. I want to give them hope, but I have to be honest with them too. First and foremost they need Jesus Christ in their life or no matter how they die they will not see heaven. Again I did not say that God said that in His word. I do understand that circumstances, and medical problems can take those decisions away from the person and that is why I have tried my best to temper what I say with the statements that I don't believe God will judge anyone for anything they do that they had no choice about. But just as you said, God is the final judge on what was in the person's heart and mind. That should not and will not stop me from trying to caution people.
You said it is not my job. I am afraid you are wrong. It is every believer's job to try to spread the good news that through Jesus Christ we who are condemned for our sins, can be free and live eternally with God.
Take care, I hope that clears up your misunderstandings.
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