I don't think you should be deciding what is right or wrong.

im sorry to sound rude, but it sounds to me like this website is just intended to scare people into believing the cruelty, and hypocritical teachings of christianity... and i personally, dont really think you should be the one deciding if it's right or wrong...yeah i understand that the bible and christian teaching say that it's immoral and damnable...but what if you dont practice christianity? it seems to me that the bible and christan teachings are just another way to plot people into being scared of a god that is supposed to be caring and loving...how is the christian god loving and caring if he's going to send a soul to hell or damn it for eternity, for not being able to cope with the evils and pressures on this god-forsaken planet? what about people with social disorders, or clinical disorders? does this same rule apply to them? i think maybe before YOU tell someone that they're going to hell because of what you believe, you've got more issues to deal with then someone contemplating suicide...

My response is in Green:

You don't sound rude to me, you just sound like you did not bother to check out your facts very well. For instance you mentioned about people with disorders. Maybe you missed it but I have this statement on my pages:

NOTE: I want to make one thing clear. I believe that suicide is a sin against God and I believe that if you have not accepted Christ as your savior before your death your fate is sealed unto judgment. However, I don't want anything I have said to be taken to the extreme. If a person has a chemical imbalance or other disease which limits their mental faculties then that is not the same thing as choosing to commit suicide with a clear mind. Let me be blunt, if you are reading this page and are looking for a loop hole so that your conscience will be clear to kill yourself, then by the fact that you are doing so shows you are in control of your mental faculties and I believe you will be held accountable to God against Whom suicide is a sin.

That is just one point, I say the same thing in different ways many places on my pages. Do I intend to scare people into not committing suicide, no, although if I thought that would work I would do it. But that misses the whole point. You say what about people who do not believe in or practice Christianity. Okay let me give you an example. Let's say that instead of suicide and hell we were talking about walking blind folded across an interstate highway. Now lets say that I tell people not to do it because they might get hit by a car and killed. Well what about people who don't believe in cars?

Just because they don't believe in cars or practice highway safety does not mean they won't get killed if they try to cross the highway blind folded, right? Can we agree on that? Well that is my view of this. Just because you don't believe or practice Christianity does not mean that you won't go to hell if you kill your self, all it means is that if you die no matter how it happens you will go to hell. That should scare you.

Is God cruel? No, He sent His only Son to die in your place so you don't have to go to hell. Then He puts people like me around you to tell you that. He even makes some of us hard headed and thick skinned enough to answer people who think we are nuts. I want to make sure you truly understand what salvation is and why we all need it:

We will all have to answer to God someday for the wrong things we have done. These are called sins and we have all done some of them. God is holy and demands death for anyone who sins. (Ezekiel 18:4 NIV) For every living soul belongs to me, the father as well as the son--both alike belong to me. The soul who sins is the one who will die.

That is the bad news, we are all under a death sentence from a Holy God, who can't stand sin and we have all sinned. Now for the good news. God loves us and does not want us to go to hell to be punished for our sins. Because He is Holy He can't just forgive and forget our sins, His Holy nature demands that some one pays for those sins. (John 3:16 NIV) "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Here is more good news: (Romans 5:8 NIV) But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

So what does this mean to us? It means that if we die without getting right with God we will go to hell for eternity and suffer in punishment for our sins. However, if we will believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that He died for our sins, and if we confess our sins (admit them to God) and ask Him to forgive us He will. And if we believe that after He died God the Father raised Him back to life then we will be saved and if we die we will go to be with God. (Romans 10:9 NIV) That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Now does God still seem cruel to you? Yes He is just and demands punishment for our sins, but He loves us enough to pay that price Himself. He offers you a free ticket out of hell, it is up to you if you take it or not. You know if you made the decision to totally reject what God has offered you, then you are right there is no reason not to commit suicide, because there is no other hope. You just better be sure that you will never change your mind, because once you are dead it is too late.

You also mentioned that Christianity is hypocritical, that is true in many instances, but why judge God on what people do? Why not judge God on what He has done? Do you want God to judge you by what your friends or family do, or by what you have done. I might be a hypocrite but why allow that to stand between you and God? God is not a hypocrite and that is all that counts. I was a Deputy Sheriff for 7 years. There were bad cops and there still are but that does not make the system bad, nor does it make every cop bad, it makes some cops bad. The same can be said for Christianity.

One last thing, you said you don't think that I should be the one deciding what is right and what is wrong. I agree with you. The only problem is that I am not the one deciding; God is. This is what God has to say: (Job 40:8 NIV) "Would you discredit my justice? Would you condemn me to justify yourself?"

Ralph

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